Huey

Huey

Thursday, July 10, 2014

In response to Matt Walsh's "I'll Check My White Male privilege..."

Matt,

I recently came across your recent white male privilege post in my newsfeed. As a black American male, I was curious to see what you had to say about privilege and what prompted you to write the piece. I was sad to see the hate-filled uninformed letter that you were responding to. What also made me sad is that you seemed to validate one of the false premises you blogged about: 'You're not a part of [insert demographic here], therefore you don't get to talk about [insert demographic here] things.' Your thoughts on privilege are less than perfect.

I agree with you on this much: the above premise is false and using the premise as well as the phrase 'check your privilege' is too often used as a method to suppress dialogue rather than encourage it. That is sad. However, it has been the experience of many of us that white people in America don't quite understand what it's like to not be white and furthermore, don't know the implications of being so. It also seems to us that whites don't care to learn about or attempt to understand our lives and history and who could blame you – it doesn't do too much for your social, economic, or legal security or advancement. As a consequence of this mindset, when it comes time to discuss these things, many white people find themselves unequipped to deal with race issues displaying ignorance, defensiveness, and dismissiveness – yourself included, Matt.

Let's start with the blog where you address the hate-filled email. You issue a challenge relatively early: “name me one particular right or immunity that I possess and you do not? What is one specific and tangible benefit that white males universally enjoy, while all other people are deprived of it?” Challenge accepted.

White Male Privilege

You'll probably never have to explain the harsh effects of systemic racism and sexism to your boys.

You can excel without being labeled a 'credit to your race or sex'.

You can seek political office without your race or sex being part of your platform.

You're probably never expected to speak for all white men.

White privilege

When you open your mouth to speak, people don't act surprised at the breadth of your vocabulary and call you 'articulate'.

You won't have to worry about stop and frisk.

You can go shopping without fear of being followed or harassed.

You've probably never been taught to 'give up the sidewalk'.

If you need legal or medical help you're probably not afraid of your race working against you.

You can criticize political figures without being labeled as a cultural outsider. Maybe a bigot, but not a cultural outsider.

You can easily find toys, greeting cards, and magazines that represent people of your race.

The 'nude' color was made to match your skin tone.

If you walk into any barbershop, there will more than likely be someone who knows how to do your hair.

When you get a job or a promotion, people can only assume you got it because you were highly qualified.

People don't wonder if your college application was just a picture of your face.

If you decide to bomb or shoot up a building, you know you likely won't be labeled as a terrorist.

If you decide to bomb or shoot up a building, you know members of your race won't be labeled as a possible threat.

Male Privilege

You can walk down streets without fear of sexual harassment.

You can have sex with multiple partners and be praised for it.

You can go on a date without fear of being raped.

If you do get raped you don't have to worry about the way you were dressed being used as a defense.

If you don't decide to have kids, your manhood won't be called into question.

If you ask to speak to the person in charge, you're pretty confident that you'll speak to someone of your own sex.

I can keep going.

Maybe these examples don't meet your definition of tangible, but I don't think you can dismiss these relatively simple to pick out manifestations of privilege.

Let's move on to your earlier blog from May. You first tackle something that I admit is a problem. People of ingroups dismissing the opinions of people from outgroups because they are members of outgroups. I'll also admit that I fall into this trap occasionally. When faced with an issue I'll typically seek help from someone that has both knowledge and relevant experience rather than somebody with just the knowledge. The latter simply isn't as good. People want to be understood. As a Christian, I can't discount the value of empathy when it comes to ministering to others and I assume you blog as way of ministering to the masses. That said, I believe Christ was the perfect minister and I believe that one of the reasons Christ had to suffer as He did is so He could empathize with us. And if He could empathize with us, He could help us perfectly.“...and [Christ] will take upon Him [His people's] infirmities, that His bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that He may know according to the flesh how to succor His people according to their infirmities” (Alma 7:12, The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ). I'm not trying to say there's logic behind the treatment you've been receiving as a result of your opinions on matters that don't directly affect you. I am saying your inability to empathize with the ingroup guarantees that you will never have a perfect understanding of whatever subjects you tackle with regard to those people and they know it.

The issue then, Matt, isn't that people aren't interested in what you have to say simply because you're not part of their group. People aren't as interested in your opinions on Sterling, abortion, affirmative action, and feminism because people know that you, at the very least, don't completely understand what you're talking about by virtue of your whiteness and your maleness.

Furthermore, white people in particular don't have the best track record when it comes to assessing equality with other races. In the early 60's, 80% of white people said they felt minorities were treated equally in their communities. In the late 1800's, southern whites thought the same. In the mid 1800's, slaves that wanted to be out of bondage were actually considered mentally ill. In each time period white people believed they weren't out of the way and we acknowledge today that they were. In each time period, blacks believed they were oppressed and we acknowledge that they were. Basic statistics tell me, Matt, that if you tell me today white privilege is an illusion while there are many non-white people claiming to feel its effects, that I shouldn't believe you.

You made a semi good point about having people with no emotional attachments to weigh in on matters (thus eliminating bias) with your jury selection analogy. In your analogy you say that if a car thief is on trial, you don't stock the jury with a bunch of people who got their cars stolen. You mix it up with victims and non-victims. That makes sense to me. What you don't stock the jury with is people like you, Matt. While you may be unaware of what it's like to have your car stolen, you're also unaware or denying that car theft is taking place.

Moving on to the second premise – I think it's half right. Anyone of any race, religion, creed, gender, orientation, etc. certainly can experience discrimination and prejudice in one form or another. In saying that, I must clarify that you and all white men have never experienced the kind of institutionalized and systemic racism and sexism that people of color and women in this country have, thus introducing my agreement with the second half of this 'false premise'.

Finally, you cited this white dude at Princeton as 'masterfully' handling the issue of white privilege. You both miss the mark. No one is trying to diminish what you or Princeton dude accomplished despite your adverse circumstances. We don't want you to apologize for your accomplishments or your race. We don't want you to say that you were given handouts. What we want is for you to acknowledge that you till more fertile ground than the rest of us by virtue of your whiteness and your maleness. We want you to acknowledge that in THIS country if you put identical people with identical circumstances in different skin colors, the lighter one will likely yield the greater harvest. Princeton dude didn't quite get that as exhibited by this statement: “[America is] a country that grants equal protection under the law to its citizens, that cares not about religion or race, but the content of your character.” I believe you know better, Matt. There is too much evidence and experience to the contrary.


If you don't want to say you're privileged by your race or your sex, the evidence certainly must persuade you that you are at least not hindered by them. Again, that's okay. Just acknowledge it and maybe we can get you one less cancer/suicide wish.

13 comments:

  1. Interesting article, I can agree on some points, and I can appreciate some of the injustices and prejudices you have had to deal with, but at some point we have to get on with the project of nationbuilding, and not of tearing each other apart. The other side of the coin which I have seen how much anti white sentiment there is. Very disturbing. Is there really place for it when we are trying to positively reconstruct society in a fair and democratic way. There are those who will want to go off by themselves ( 0n both sides of the color line) but they should also have the democratic freedom to do even that. You cant make anyone be your friend.

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  2. Thanks for taking the time to write this desperately-needed response. I will share it!

    I agree with you on almost every point but thought I'd share that the other day someone pointed out that Ted Kazowski was identified as a terrorist despite being white. I guess if your methods are classic-terrorist enough even a white person can claim the title! Either way, I think you're right overall, I just had forgotten about that example myself when I made the point in a conversation about the shooting in Santa Barbara.

    Thanks again!

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  3. Simon, you are right in that we can't force anyone to be our friend and we should stop tearing each other apart... Though I think in this case to do as you suggest we could reword your statement to more accurately reflect reality: "We should get on with nation building and not with tearing down black people when they complain about being torn down". White people have and do experience being disliked, that is not the same as discriminated against.

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  4. James,
    I'm sorry but the fact that you are part of a blog dedicated to hating a single man is somewhat disheartening. Surely there are better ways to blog then to just chase a singe man over all his posts. He has an opinion like many, that he is letting others know. You are entitled to your own opinion just as I am. Having said that I am going to give you a critique of your own article on white privilege.

    Race is a messy business. Ultimately there isn't really much difference between two races, but the use of race has promoted differences for a very long time. By labeling people as one race or another we are creating divisions and actually fueling racism when there is more genetic difference between two people of the same race than the difference in other races. This is why the American Anthropology Association rejects the use of race when describing someone. Referring to their culture is much more accurate.

    As for white privilege. I won't say there isn't still racism, I won't say that African Americans haven't suffered for no reason. Just as many races. But here's the news, you aren't alone. People of all races suffer, people of all races have bad history, people of all gender have been affected by tragedies. What we should learn about these is that oppression and hatred is wrong. Not that oppression and hatred of [insert group] was wrong. Should we now rank or judge people based on the level of oppression they faced?

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  5. Here are some counterpoints to your privilege claims

    I don't know a single person who hasn't learned about the horrible effects of slavery and racism. If your white and male unfortunately there ARE people who relate you to people in the past or some misguided individuals. You have to make sure you are politically correct, because being a white conqueror is not politically correct.

    Since when is a person expected to speak for their entire race? That's just silly

    Being a "credit to your race or sex" sounds like you are talking someone who is a bigot, a bigot is not every single person, and not everyone says that, get real. I suppose you can say that someone who isn't white who thinks white people are racist would think they are a credit to your race for not being a racist?

    Running for political office and race being on your platform? Well for starters if you are getting free votes based on race I suppose you shouldn't complain. There are people who vote because of race and sex, is that not as bad? I know many more people who voted for president Obama because he was black rather than against because of his race. Once again it's the individual who votes, each has their reason. Those who vote against purely because of race or gender are the same as those who vote for them based on those reasons. And please don't tell me we need someone to be this race or gender because there hasn't been. We are electing a world leader, we need to choose who the best is. If the best is latino, asian, black, or a women I will vote for them and not a moment sooner.

    Speech and being articulate? Once again that's a generalization. It really depends on your location and background. What about southerners? People are surprised when someone doesn't speak with an accent. Is that hateful? Being well-spoken is a good thing people acknowledge from all groups and sexes. Particularly if their mannerisms or behavior is different.

    Seriously? Who the hell follows you and harasses you? It's 2014, if a security guard is standing around isn't it somewhat racist to assume he's following you or thinks you are stealing? You don't give him the benefit of the doubt. Appearances also affect this, [appearance not race]. I work at a Target in an area with mostly African American workers and shoppers. Security guards still watch out for theft, but when your the majority it's not racist when they are looking at you.

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  6. The stop and frisk is controversial. You should probably research it as well before you look it up. It did decrease crime in New York, so if you want to bring that up some racist asshole could say that it's people of a specific "race" doing that crime. That does us no good. Stop and frisk occurs in bad areas, with suspicious individuals. Do most people in business suits make up the majority of those who get frisked? No. But people in clothing that can conceal a weapon, looking around suspiciously, in bad areas get frisked? Yes. Now that brings into the question of bad areas and housing, and race. That's another issue my friend. Stop and frisk was not made to oppress African Americans. Stupid cops oppress African Americans and other races. It is noteworthy to mention that when a gang related crime occurs cops search and frisk the area. Gang members are also know to be a majority of non-white people in non-white areas. You then have cops looking for gang members, (sorry but the demographics of violent crimes don't lie) and the frisk often occurs to look for perpetrators. And no I am not talking about how one race causes all the crimes. The statics show that crime correlates with income, I'm not blaming race. Still I see your point, cops should be scrutinized on their practices and provide probable reasoning. I'm just saying you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

    Legal and medical help, once again speculation. Or speaking on behalf of all races. Money and location are big parts of this.

    Toys, greeting cards, and magazines representing your race? Come on really? Men's fitness or maxim aren't just for white guys. There is no "white man's magazine”, or “white man's card" There are cards and toys specifically suited to other races though. This is a useless conversation. It's running the assumption that toys of white characters are on purpose or only for white kids and and a toy or magazine featuring a black person or another race is specifically targeting them? That's not a good way of viewing the world. Sure there are cases, but most of the population is white so you could in-fact find a majority of things that are "white" justified if you really think this is all racially motivated. That's just called good business.

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  7. Not even gonna comment of the barber shop thing...

    Job promotions are actually the opposite. How about affirmative action and scholarships based on race. Now situation or struggles, just a preconceived notion of racial suffering. NOW that is racist. Of course you don't see white men on that side of the table. Unfortunately I actually did not get into a university, though I did two sports, was an eagle scout, got a 29 on the ACT, and had higher than a 4.0 GPA. Why? This prestigious university had demographic rules, the same one that notoriously gave twenty points to any minority for acceptance. What does 20 points mean? Well to put that into perspective getting a PERFECT score on the SAT gives you five points.

    Now you are going into terrorism? Really? Bill Ayers? The unabomber? Your going to put race into horrible tragedies because of problems with Islamic extremists? I know you mean well but that is disgusting.

    As for gender men are at much higher statistics for every crime other than sexual crimes. "Privilege"

    We also make up around 90% of suicides and almost always end up on the losing side of a divorce.

    Having sex with multiple partners are values based on gender preferences and ultimately tied down to evolution. Alpha-males mate with as many a possible, male sex drive is usually greater than females. Women since the beginning of time have searched for a long term partner. But I get your point, we shouldn't have these standards for men and women. Then again guys also get labeled as "creeps" and "womanizers" when they try to get with many women.

    More men have reported being raped in prison per year than women. Enough said.

    Women in charge depends of the jobs. As a gender women have different preferences than men, this includes life ambition. Being a boss means dedicated much of your time, time many want to spend having kids.

    I can't be sure, but this seems like you took some of this off the male privilege list. That is pretty lazy of you if you did in my opinion.

    I respect your opinions and I know racism isn't dead. I'm hoping that you are willing to admit that racism exists in all races not just white people. It's a horrible thing that needs to be discouraged. Hopefully by showing people that there are no real differences in race in the first place. I don't claim to be the authority on racism, nor am I the most knowledgeable. I'm willing to change my opinion on many issues with new views and information. I can see some white people are afraid to admit there is racism, or that they don't want to think it exists. Just like I see other people exaggerate the problems that do exist, even creating problems when none exist. I can only say the best thing to do is to be level headed and really look at human nature. I hope I can somewhat change your mind on some of these things. Just as you were able to point out how wrong Matt was I am able to point out how wrong you are.

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  8. You can easily find toys, greeting cards, and magazines that represent people of your race. Well honey, that's because the people who invented those particular greeting cards, toys & magazines were probably WHITE people. If black people had invented those same things, guess what color they would be?

    The 'nude' color was made to match your skin tone. Same answer as above. You invent, you call the shots.

    If you walk into any barbershop, there will more than likely be someone who knows how to do your hair. And you think a white male would feel comfortable in a black barber shop? You see, YOU are not looking at the other side....at all, apparently.

    When you get a job or a promotion, people can only assume you got it because you were highly qualified. Well you can thank Affirmative Action for that. What is that for? Oh yeah....PRIVILEGE because of DARK skin color....that's right.

    People don't wonder if your college application was just a picture of your face. Again, see answer above. If you guys want to whine about that, then get rid of Affirmative Action and compete only with your intelligence/skills. That's how it should be. Until then, would you like some cheese with that whine?

    If you decide to bomb or shoot up a building, you know you likely won't be labeled as a terrorist. That's because most people who do that ARE not white. Sorry. Truth hurts. Oh and by the way, so it's ok for a black comedian to say "You white folks are crazy. You're the ones with serial killers." See? It's a two way street.

    If you decide to bomb or shoot up a building, you know members of your race won't be labeled as a possible threat. See answer above.

    Male Privilege

    You can walk down streets without fear of sexual harassment. Not in San Fran. Lol. By the way, I'm a female and I don't writhe in anger because men won't experience that as much as me. I'm glad they won't and I sure as hell don't lump all men into the category of sexual predators or women haters like Feminists do. They are the haters.

    You can have sex with multiple partners and be praised for it. This one is completely stupid. Yeah, if you look at the statistics, 70 some % of black homes are headed by a maternal parent or grandparent. I would say that suggests a lot of black men don't give a shit about their women or their kids. What other conclusion could you possibly draw than that? They earned that reputation.

    You can go on a date without fear of being raped. Again, see two answers above.

    If you do get raped you don't have to worry about the way you were dressed being used as a defense. Oh. Good. Grief.

    If you don't decide to have kids, your manhood won't be called into question. Ummmm, nope. That happens to males too. Ridiculous.

    If you ask to speak to the person in charge, you're pretty confident that you'll speak to someone of your own sex. That is the fault of white managers....how? And honestly, when I have asked to speak to a manager, I NEVER once even thought, "Gee, I'll bet he's white like me." Wow. You are REALLY reaching here.

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  9. Last bit: I can keep going. Me too. Sadly.

    Maybe these examples don't meet your definition of tangible, but I don't think you can dismiss these relatively simple to pick out manifestations of privilege. And you, my friend, need to look at this world through the lens of today, not the 1950's or 60's. Plenty of privilege for people of color too and plenty of racism toward white people as well. You proved exactly that by your shallow response and non consideration of the issues that white males have to deal with. So on the flip side, there are many people of color who look at white people and automatically assume we are privileged or racist. My goodness, didn't the last two presidential elections suggest many American white people are not racist? How about the voting percentage of the blacks...what was it...like 90% voted for Obama? I'd say THAT's racist. And they even voted for his second term after a shitty first term. Matt Walsh was SPOT ON. You wanna live in the past and whine about it? That's your decision. How about we clear the field (get rid of Affirmative Action) and compete by the content of our character, the intelligence we were born with, or the skills we worked hard to learn and may the best man/woman win? Oh, but that would be racist of me, right?

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  10. Also - half of these comments are nonsense. I hope you don't let them get to you. Good for you for standing your ground, and feel free to reach out if you ever want a thought partner for anything.

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  11. Also - half of these comments are nonsense. I hope you don't let them get to you. Good for you for standing your ground, and feel free to reach out if you ever want a thought partner for anything.

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